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Well since we've talked about quite a lot, mostly being KH, and about as much as we could I'd say that its been a very nice discussion. It was a pleasure to talk with you. Let's hope that things in regards to KH go like how we want. Maybe we'll talk again after the spin offs are released, so see you some other time.
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It isn't unusual for the ending to get ripped and put on the internet within the day of release.
To answer your question I'm not a fan of the Tales series. I tried Symphonia, but I hated it. Bad voice acting, annoying characters, and I just couldn't bring mysel to like it. So not my cup of tea.
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Popular theory is that Xion is either Kairi's second Nobody or that Xion has something to do with Kairi's keyblade that was just randomly introduced and not explained in KH2. For that matter Riku's keyblade also wasn't properly and thoroughly explained either.
If Xion does indeed end up as Kairi's "second Nobody" when a Princess of Heart is NOT suppose to even have one in the first place, then at that point the Kairi clone will be a Mary Sue hands down and no amount of "you're only hating cause you're a disgusting yaoi fan!!" will be able to save Xion's credibility.
And yeah to an extent Xion just feels like she's being hamfisted to go and destroy or hurt the yaoi fangirls by being the object of obsession for Roxas. I feel SE is merely wasting our time. Let's remember, this is a series where teenagers can't act their age and are forced to be too childish. So don't expect to see Xion and Roxas to even manage a kiss on the hand, much less on the cheek. And that's only if she's going to be used as a way to give Roxas a gf.
So true
Well we'll know for sure what is Xion's purpose in 358/2 Days next month. Since I don't care to buy this game I won't wait for the US release and will willingly look up spoilers and what not to see how SE can try to cover their asses or dig themselves deeper with sloppy writing and plot holes.
I'd say June since the game comes out in JP at the end of May. Depending on how the game does will determine if I'll even bother buying the game.
Have you ever played Tales of the Abyss? It's a fun RPG with a good story.
Yeah agreed. I really wonder how something like Twilight became such a phenomenon. At least KH can get away with the fanservice nostalgia excuse (though not so much anymore because the novelty IMO has worn off).
I feel for you that you have to watch for your nephews and their reaction to the yaoi trash. However, it 's a good thing in another way, it prepares them to know what's what in the future.
Popular theory is that Xion is either Kairi's second Nobody or that Xion has something to do with Kairi's keyblade that was just randomly introduced and not explained in KH2. For that matter Riku's keyblade also wasn't properly and thoroughly explained either.
And yeah to an extent Xion just feels like she's being hamfisted to go and destroy or hurt the yaoi fangirls by being the object of obsession for Roxas. I feel SE is merely wasting our time. Let's remember, this is a series where teenagers can't act their age and are forced to be too childish. So don't expect to see Xion and Roxas to even manage a kiss on the hand, much less on the cheek. And that's only if she's going to be used as a way to give Roxas a gf.
Well we'll know for sure what is Xion's purpose in 358/2 Days next month. Since I don't care to buy this game I won't wait for the US release and will willingly look up spoilers and what not to see how SE can try to cover their asses or dig themselves deeper with sloppy writing and plot holes.
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I don't know about you, but there's something about Kingdom Hearts that makes cheesy moments seem TOO cheesy in the end.
Well that's your opinion and I won't try and change it the problem with this world/society today is truly the stereotype a lot of ppl live by or follow thanks to corruption; since things back in the day that would be considered genuine between two ppl of the same gender is now a days looked upon/labeled "too gay for a male" or "too fruity."
I do see your point about Disney never holding back in the movies about referencing death but you also got to remember that the KH series in the end is really just a badly written crossover fanfic that a lot of people found appealing for some odd ball reason which in technicality is no different than the popular vampire book Twilight.
He kind of reminds me of Ichigo from Bleach because his problems aren't interesting to see.
I've only seen one volume of Bleach but I am aware of who Ichigo is.
As for Riku different strokes for different strokes. I liked him because he was a different type of character and was getting sick of Sora's friendship upbeat crap. Though at this point I'm sick of him whining about the darkness which is something that a lot of characters do in this series to be quite frank.
I didn't care much for Riku in KH 1 or CoM but he became appealing in KH 2. Out of the Destiny Island trio, I'd take Riku over Sora & Kairi ANY day since those two just irk me.
Though I seriously doubt Riku will be Axel's Nobody.
Well I hope your right cause if it happens, after BBS, I'm not playing any new KH games to come in the future.
Personally I wouldn't mind if Roxas gets a gf, anything tohurt those stupid yaoi fangirls with those obnoxious shipping names.
Despite Xion's addition, KH 2 made it crystal clear that Roxas & Namine ARE the counter part Nobodies of Sora & Kairi; those two just couldn't develop a bond together thanks to the roles they were given. From the way KH 358/2 Days is looking, AkuRoku fans may indeed be heavily disappointed thanks to Xion either:
A) "Cock Blocking" the OMG boy love between Axel x Roxas
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B) "Stealing" Roxas from Axel
I support Roxas x Namine together and won't care really if Xion x Roxas has something going on nor will I support them either. I will however laugh big time if the sexist fan girls throw a big tantrum on DA about "Xarmy Sue" ruining the bond between Axel & Roxas because in my personal opinion, I feel Square Enix is mainly throwing in Xion - a character who was NEVER mentioned in KH 2, Final Mix, CoM, the Mangas or the Official Novel - because fantards can't accept Axel & Roxas' friendship bond for what it TRULY IS and have to blow it up SO big to a point where I can find shoes/calendars on sale based off that FAN-based shipping seriously, I have to monitor my 8 and 7 year old nephews when looking for KH fan art or else I'll get questions like "auntie, why is Riku kissing Mickey o.o!?" or "auntie, why is Axel grabbing Roxas like that O_o I don't remember seeing that in the game."
I don't know about you, but there's something about Kingdom Hearts that makes cheesy moments seem TOO cheesy in the end. It also has a habit of making scenes feel rather forced like Axel saying Sora made him feel the same way as Roxas did even though they only briefly met ONCE in KH2 and the next time they met he sacrificed himself. Even if Sora remembered the COM events, Axel was never anything than a guy out to trick and manipulate him. So yeah KH is cheesy, forced, and sloppy on a level all of its own. I also rather hate how death references are replaced with lame tame words like "Oblivion" or "Relying on dark powers will cost you your heart" "Your time is up traitor!" etc. The sad part is that when it comes to referencing death, Disney never really held back.
Maleficent - The princess will prick her finger...and DIE!
Evil Queen - In the forest my trustful huntsman you will KILL her.
Frollo - I should have killed you years ago like I killed your gypsy mother.
Jafar - How man times do I have to kill you boy!
Honestly now I was surprised that they even allowed Hades to use his comedic use of the word death or even allowed Scar to say that he killed Mufasa (must be because he's an animal). When you get down to it, the original Disney films were much better and less cheesy than the KH adaptations and also goes for the original content of the story. When Ansem died I didn't even realize that he died until I researched it. Usually in Disney whenever someone dies they don't do it as lamely as how KH did. Ansem despite being fully human died just as if he was a Nobody disappearing without any trace. The funny part is that the explosion that killed him didn't affect Sora and the others who were inches from him and fixed Riku's cursed form. Ugh.
I agree with you on Sora. He's got to be one of the most flatest and uninteresting main leads of recent times. He's way too childish and dumb and his dilemmas are way too bland. He kind of reminds me of Ichigo from Bleach because his problems aren't interesting to see. Sora also isn't entertaining to watch, at least when I see characters like Luffy from One Piece I can smile a bit at some of his antics. Sora's antics are too outdated or something like the whole "Are not" comment when compared to Jack Sparrow which if you ask me is an insult to Jack who is entertaining to watch.
As for Riku different strokes for different strokes. I liked him because he was a different type of character and was getting sick of Sora's friendship upbeat crap. Though at this point I'm sick of him whining about the darkness which is something that a lot of characters do in this series to be quite frank.
I agree with you on so many levels in the last part. Though I seriously doubt Riku will be Axel's Nobody. Personally I wouldn't mind if Roxas gets a gf, anything tohurt those stupid yaoi fangirls with those obnoxious shipping names. Seriously Aku is a character from Samurai Jack and Roku is from the cartoon Avatar. Personally I want to see the KH series either wrap upr fail and bomb for milking and having no direction and lousy writing. Once again it reminds me of Bleach in that there's an anime that generally makes up its story as it goes along.
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Well... one argument says Axel is not only a product of Riku but Xehanort's heartless as well which is suppose to explain the height difference either way, the fact Axel doesn't use a keyblade and his element being fire (unlike Roxas) is one glaring contradiction. Namine is exception since at the time she was produced, Kairi didn't have her flowery keyblade yet so I don't expect her to have a keyblade.
Sora breaking down crying for Riku made my big brother raise an eyebrow but either way, the game is about FRIENDSHIP and with Disney involved, it's no wonder why we get cheesey/corny moments. If Square Enix REALLY wanted to satisfy the yaoi fanatics, then he wouldn't of worked with Disney in the first place; that's my belief.
Hmm personally, I don't care for Sora. He's too immature & happy go lucky for my taste reason I favor Roxas more. When Roxas didn't understand something, he'd either put his foot down and demand you tell him or he'd try his hardest to figure it out himself. In short, Roxas doesn't put up with bullshit like Sora.
I'm glad we aren't playing with Sora anymore in KH 358/2 Days & KH BBS because I'm personally sick of him; he hogged ALL the camera in KH 1 and 2 (Roxas & Riku being playable for a small period of time doesn't count) and it's about time we focus on somebody else. Riku's story was uninteresting in CoM to me.
My thoughts is simply this: if Xion fucks up KH 358/2 Days by becoming a true Mary Sue (like I believe she will), Axel ends up as Riku's Nobody when that wasn't the original plan for him and Aqua ends up tied to Kairi in some way... then I shall never play a new KH game to come in the future because at that point, Square Enix would have killed my interest for the series altogether and I wouldn't be surprise if a large OUTRAGE broke out amongst the fandom since you know the AkuRoku fans can't have anything with ovaries disapproving their "fact" that AkuRoku is indeed canon
There are much better games with better written characters out there anyway so it won't be the end of the world if KH goes down the toilet. This should just be a prime example to anyone who ever thinks about milking a popular series or starting a series and not having any sense of direction AHEAD OF TIME what you want to do with it.
Yeah, I agree. Axel can't be Riku's Nobody. The simple fact is that he never produced a Heartless which is essential to creating a Nobody. The only exception being Princesses of Heart like Kairi.
Well regarding Cloud. I think he's alright, but incredibly overrated and even somewhat badly written thanks to the spin offs that SE made to cheaply make more money. I also hate how overexposed he is. Among the FF characters making cameos in KH only he has a sidequest dedicated to his issues. A small sidequest, that's a hell of a perk. Personally if SE wants to milk Cloud do it somewhat else because I don't want to see Cloud vs Sephiroth for the fifth time in a non FF game.
Regarding Sora, though they give us some slight moments where they show Sora liking Kairi I think the staff ruins everything with Sora's general over concern for Riku.
How do you feel they're handling Sora? Personally I don't like the Riku yaoi bait fuel he has attached and to be frank I'm kind of sick of Sora for being made too dumb and immature in KH2. Goofy was a freaking genius in KH2 while Sora was amazingly stupid. In KH1 he had common sense, but in KH2 he just became too dumb and childish.
I also dislike how Nomura brags that Kingdom Hearts is Sora's story even though at this point we've played as Riku in CoM, Roxas briefly in KH2 and fully in 358/2 Days, and the PSP game Birth by Sleep has three controllable characters non of which are Sora. The funny part is that all these characters tend to have more interesting characterization and dilemmas to face compared to Sora's flat personality and generally uninteresting nature and problems.
When Roxas gave up whatever life he had for Sora I felt disappointed because the first thing Sora did when he woke up in KH2 was hold hands with Donald and Goofy and start skipping around in a circle. That was the beginning of the road of disappointment that KH2 brought.
Frankly I'm beginning to doubt I'm into the series as much as I used to. I guess I'm beginning to outgrow it. And I'm seriously noticing how badly written it is at times. So what are your thoughts on all this?
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Lately, there has been this rumor going around that Axel is gonna end up being Riku's Nobody and it doesn't help either that the official novel is implicating this as well. While I've listened to different arguments by people about how it's possible for Axel = Riku... I have also easily found blunt contradictions to prove my point that Square Enix in fact pulled that out of their ass just as they did with tossing in Xion.
Olette was just too plain and Larxene was an evil bitch who served her purpose that's all we gamers are given OUTSIDE of the females who aren't tied to Kairi.
Cock block! XDDDD I agree with you about Sora not being able to express his feelings yet they show him fantasizing about dancing with Kairi when he was in Halloween Town.
Well the whole "it's open for interpretation" card gets old especially when there is no BLUNT facts to back up how Riku x Sora is more "romantically canon" than Kairi x Sora as oppose to Roxas clearly stating when he was speaking to Kairi "hey, your that girl he likes," and etc. But I understand what you mean.
Ugh... the FF fandom altogether annoys me because of the fans. FF 7 came out when I was still going to school and till this day, people STILL argue about who Cloud truly loves if it was up to me, I would of killed off Cloud ages ago since I dislike him.
I agree with you. The KH fanbase is shit. On Larxene, while she wasn't anything particularly critical to the main plot (Marluxia was the real mastermind), at least she served her purpose and gave us a different kind of female for the series. Its almost a surprise Disney allowed such a plain bitch to be in the series considering how they handle female characters in general. But yeah, when she died I was kind of glad. She wasn't a character you redeem, she showed she was evil and sadistic and just paid for it, end of story.
Small note, you said that they made Axel Riku's Nobody? I never saw any of that, maybe that Axel fills the role of Riku in the trio of Roxas, Axel and and Xion. Was that what you meant?
Another thing I agree with you on is how the KH series has this annoying and stupid habit of making important females turn out to be Kairi's clones or tied to Kairi. It's almost as if the staff of the games realize Kairi is bland and useless. Due to this to manage the plot of the games they create alter egos of her to push the story forward since they find the original Kairi to be not thrilling in the least.
That isn't to say that the non-Kairi related females are particularly interesting, Olette was bland even in design, but it's just something that's just disappointing to see on the overall.
Finally on the matter of yaoi fangirls (and the minority which are fanboys who surprisingly exist) I once again agree. These homosexual pairings will never happen because Disney would not allow it. I heard once that Demyx from Organization XIII originally was supposed to be a canon homosexual, but that Disney made Nomura change things, so that's how we got the coward persona of Demyx. I don't know whether its true or not, but its fair to say there will be no canon homosexuality in the KH games simply because the rating Disney wants to maintain for the series. Plus I seriously doubt they would want to have real homosexual themes in a game that showecases their classical characters from both Disney shorts and movies alike. It would wreck their image a bit.
The real problem to me comes from how Nomura writes Sora and the male characters. As I said there's too much talk between the male characters regarding their hearts. Another problem is that for instance though Sora is supposed to like Kairi it almost feels like he's not allowed to express it.
It might be another show, but in the Nickelodeon cartoon Avatar, the male characters quite often acted straight and were constantly allowed to kiss girls and what not like normal teenagers. That isn't to say that they didn't hang out with other guys, but the interactions felt slightly more balanced and natural.
With Sora, and the other male characters of the KH series, there seems to be only guys to hang out with because the women seem to be too useless to even give them screen time. It might be a small extra peeve, but it almost feels like Nomura and his team is preventing Sora from getting together with anything resembling a girl as the ending of KH2 showed.
Sora is running to Kairi and Goofy comes and pretty much, pardon the term, cock blocks him and knocks him down. Donald also gets in the way. Sora rubs their faces against his, but then when it comes to Kairi they just have a weak handshake. I felt a bit disappointed because throughout KH2 many of the Disney characters showed their attraction to their partners, but Sora isn't allowed to do a thing with Kairi apparently. It can't be that they're young because they show Ariel getting married in the KH2 ending.
To an extent I feel that they're trying to appease the yaoi fans and keep it open to interpretation. Like that they don't potentially lose money for when sequels get made.
They kind of did that in Final Fantasy Advent Children. A big struggle between shippers in FF7 was who did Cloud love, Aerith or Tifa? Come AC Cloud is living with Tifa in her home and place of work. They also both adopted a kid named Denzel, but despite all this we as the viewers get no official word about what's going between them. Are they married? Are they at least dating? Or merely cohabitating? That's never made clear and its still a mystery. The reason being probably because SE wants to appeal to all sides even though Aerith has been dead for a while.
I feel the same is being done with Kingdom Hearts. It's kind of annoying because for being a product that's heavily inspired by Western iconic characters and themes, KH is being handled like a straight up Japanese product, particularly since KH2. I don't hate Japanese games, hell I buy and enjoy a lot of them, but I can't stand some of this nonsense.
Sorry for the long post. If the conversation continues I'll try to keep the future responses short.
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It's alright ^o^ I understand you have a life like myself.
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Yeah, I hate that too which is why I'm no longer indulging in the KH fandom anymore cause just like you and I have experienced & seen... the fandom is shit. It's not hard at all to understand why some people don't care much/dislike the KH females. Larxene isn't a damsel in distress, plain, cutesy or sad attempt at girl power character like Kairi, Namine, Olette and Xion - from what I've seen so far- however, I don't really like her because of her personality is all. She's not "bad ass" to me nor was I sad when Sora and his party took out the bitch
Xion just seems like the Namine who "should of been." Meaning, for those who believe Roxas & Namine are "practically siblings" just because of Ansem the Wise's hypothesis that became obsolete from the writer himself in the 13th report, even though there are plenty of contradictions I can easily point out, Namine is actually the one who should be wielding a keyblade and Namine is the one who should be completing the trio; not Xion. But because of the role Namine was given, there is no way Namine could of been the 14th member.
Aqua has the potential right now but if Nomura fucks it up like what he has done so far with Xion, then the bluenette will sadly be another unappealing female to the series. The only KH females who are not related/has anything to do with Kairi is Olette & Larxene -_- if Aqua ends up tied to Kairi in some stupid way then Square Enix can REALLY count on me not playing any future KH games to come. It's one thing to shove in a 14th member into a game that is suppose to be about my number one favorite character (Roxas), make Axel the Nobody of Riku when it has already been made clear why that isn't possible (yes I've done my research on the official novel)... but to make an important & new female character (who has the potential to actually be kick-ass like Ada Wong XD) to the series be related to Kairi JUST because she's the female of the new trio and Kairi is a Princess of Heart... it honestly just makes the KH series lose originality (not that it hasn't already).
I don't blame you or take ANY offense at all about you putting down the female KH girls cause it's the truth and the real reason why Yaoi/Shounen ai/BL fan girls whore off their "OTP" and give little or no attention to the females of the series they supposedly "love" or have nothing against.
I don't like slash or official Yaoi couples period in any fandom since it truly isn't my cup of tea (I gave it a chance and didn't excite me one bit) but I have tolerance for Yuri/Shoujo ai/GL/Lesbians which is probably because of the FACT guys don't go slashing EVERY female character just because of the cop out "Heterosexuality is too generic," unlike the girls and their yaoi obssession. Sometimes the ironically sexist fan girls make me ashame of the fact I am a female since they give our gender a bad name.
Riku & Sora, Axel & Roxas or Ven & Terra will never be canon no matter what delusional fans have to say about it since popularity doesn't make a FAN-based couple canon. KH's main theme is FRIENDSHIP and nobody can twist/change that unless you're Nomura. If one ignores the fact Disney movies (that has NOTHING to do with homosexuality in any way and is aimed for children despite the fact Disney itself does support gay rights) is involved, the game is E-rated and no Final Fantasy character that gets used for the KH series is canonly homosexual in sexuality then yes everybody & anything is "canonly gay." Majority of the KH fandom isn't realistic when it comes down to the simple truth since they let THEIR fantasies cloud their better judgment
Sorry for the late reply, but thanks for your opinion on the matter.
I already read that link you posted a while back and I also agree with the poster who wrote that regarding Xion.
One thing I can't stand is how if you hate KH females, Xion included, you're deemed a yaoi fan as I've mentioned before in other arguments. Honestly, is it maybe because none of them do anything and are constantly portrayed as worthless damsels in distress? How hard is it to understand that?
Xion doesn't give me a feeling I could get behind her and support her because of the many issues regarding her seeming like a Mary Sue. And even if you ignore the issues her personality of contantly whining and being depressed isn't appealing to me. She seems almost like another Namine who is constantly in a physical state of looking helpless and like a weakling.
The only KH female that so far seems to be somewhat passable is Aqua and I have my doubts since she's being treated as the least important character in Birth By Sleep compared to Ven and Terra going by trailers and scans. Plus she merely seems to be there to support Ven whenever he gets down like an older sister. That's not too thrilling either on the overall, if you ask me.
Honestly now, the KH females just aren't that impressive from the way they are written even to the way they're designed. They're all seemingly bland and weak like the female characters you see in animes like Naruto or Bleach. Except they could potentially be even more useless since in Bleach and Naruto some females can heal, none of the KH females can even do that from what I've seen.
Going back to what I said earlier regarding how you get treated if you say you don't like female KH characters. I have to be fair in saying that I don't like yaoi in the least and don't like how when it comes to KH art in DA it's mostly pictures of how all the guys want to stick it up one another or kiss each other. For that matter I don't like the over focus the KH series has with male/male relationships.
It seems like with each new set of male characters that comes along SE creates annoying "frustrations" between them and when you add in how much they talk about each other's hearts you get some real awkward and tedious results. So I really wish they would tone that down so that the yaoi fangirls would stop getting "proof" of how Riku/Sora Axel/Roxas and Ven/Terra makes sense and is the canon pairing.
That's about my two cents, once again sorry for the late reply.
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Again, even though this is none of my business I must say I like your bluntness. It may come off as too harsh at times but that's really if you're a sensitive person. I've seen your comments on other posts and I can tell without even looking at your profile that you're male which isn't a bad thing. I can be pretty blunt myself about things but I try and be careful given many ppl online are whiny bitches lol
I agree with EVERYTHING you said about Xion and I wanted to show you this post (if you're interested): [link] it's long-winded I must admit, and she has a few grammar mistakes, but it's worth the read if you want a CLEAR understanding why Xion is a Mary Sue right now. Person even backed up her argument with facts and I can tell she is also taking the OFFICIAL novel factors into consideration as well.
Anyway I won't bother you anymore unless of course you don't mind.
Even though this is an old post and of course is none of my business... I know what you did to Omoide since she showed me once your "offensive" posts and I must say I do agree with you about her not being able to handle real criticism given one of her reasons for leaving DA altogether was become of some deviant proving her wrong about a 'fact' she made about Xion.
Well I think everything that needed to be said has been said. I guess it was nice talking to you and it was rather odd how the whole conversation started. In any case that's that maybe I'll see you around.
So long as there are CoralineXWybie shippers I know there's a chance of running into each other again. Not that I hunt them down or anything, but hey it's something.
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Exactly. I mean then in other cases like if you've ever seen the cartoon Teen Titans you only have the token two girl leads and they're both just opposites at best.
That's rather shallow if you ask me and only one of them has an admirable personality while the other gives one negative views on females in general.
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trust me, i know it's hard - i've been trying for a long time. i've figured that to balance a story with good female action, you need to have several female characters who have varying strengths and weaknesses. it's impossible to have just one good girl define the standard of femininity in the plot.
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Well I don't have any talent, but looks like people like Gaiman are doing something. As I mentioned before, Coraline is a fairly good and strong willed character. Even more so in the book since due to the fact Wybie doesn't exist she's more alone in her struggle against Other Mother.
However, one flaw many people fall into in regards to having strong female characters is that usually they make the mistake of making said female character unbalanced and overpowered in many departments. This ends up creating a generally unrelatable character and it also isn't uncommon for people to refer to such a character as a Mary Sue or Canon Sue.
There's also the issue of "double standards" like say a guy character is flawed and can be be called out on it and punished severely, but if a female character has said flaws it's deemed wrong and sexist to call out said flaws, much less punish her the same way. A good example of this is in the cartoon Avatar in an episode regarding Katara (one of the female main characters) and how she was dealing with the idea of hunting down the man that killed her mother.
Putting it simply she was acting out in such a terrible way that she told her own brother that he didn't love their mother the way she did. What does the guy do? He simply stays quiet with a defeated look as if to imply that his sister was right which going by his characterization in the show it's highly inaccurate to say he was insensitive to the point he doesn't love his mother. Worse yet is that he's not allowed to at least say that she's full of crap and such. Realistically speaking siblings (regardless of being from the opposite gender) do smack and fight among each other, so why not at least let the guy tell his sister off?
So in the end creating a balanced female character is a difficult venture. On the one hand it's difficult to do and if you want to do it right, you'll have watchdog groups after you claiming how you're a sexist and should be sued or something.
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~YouAreEpicFail a deviant who joined today is accusing anyone whose commented on Ebony's page as being that person.
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Ah ok, well I won't bother you any further then
To answer your question I'm not a fan of the Tales series. I tried Symphonia, but I hated it. Bad voice acting, annoying characters, and I just couldn't bring mysel to like it. So not my cup of tea.
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If Xion does indeed end up as Kairi's "second Nobody" when a Princess of Heart is NOT suppose to even have one in the first place, then at that point the Kairi clone will be a Mary Sue hands down and no amount of "you're only hating cause you're a disgusting yaoi fan!!" will be able to save Xion's credibility.
And yeah to an extent Xion just feels like she's being hamfisted to go and destroy or hurt the yaoi fangirls by being the object of obsession for Roxas. I feel SE is merely wasting our time. Let's remember, this is a series where teenagers can't act their age and are forced to be too childish. So don't expect to see Xion and Roxas to even manage a kiss on the hand, much less on the cheek. And that's only if she's going to be used as a way to give Roxas a gf.
Well we'll know for sure what is Xion's purpose in 358/2 Days next month. Since I don't care to buy this game I won't wait for the US release and will willingly look up spoilers and what not to see how SE can try to cover their asses or dig themselves deeper with sloppy writing and plot holes.
I'd say June since the game comes out in JP at the end of May. Depending on how the game does will determine if I'll even bother buying the game.
Have you ever played Tales of the Abyss? It's a fun RPG with a good story.
I feel for you that you have to watch for your nephews and their reaction to the yaoi trash. However, it 's a good thing in another way, it prepares them to know what's what in the future.
Popular theory is that Xion is either Kairi's second Nobody or that Xion has something to do with Kairi's keyblade that was just randomly introduced and not explained in KH2. For that matter Riku's keyblade also wasn't properly and thoroughly explained either.
And yeah to an extent Xion just feels like she's being hamfisted to go and destroy or hurt the yaoi fangirls by being the object of obsession for Roxas. I feel SE is merely wasting our time. Let's remember, this is a series where teenagers can't act their age and are forced to be too childish. So don't expect to see Xion and Roxas to even manage a kiss on the hand, much less on the cheek. And that's only if she's going to be used as a way to give Roxas a gf.
Well we'll know for sure what is Xion's purpose in 358/2 Days next month. Since I don't care to buy this game I won't wait for the US release and will willingly look up spoilers and what not to see how SE can try to cover their asses or dig themselves deeper with sloppy writing and plot holes.
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Well that's your opinion and I won't try and change it
I do see your point about Disney never holding back in the movies about referencing death but you also got to remember that the KH series in the end is really just a badly written crossover fanfic that a lot of people found appealing for some odd ball reason which in technicality is no different than the popular vampire book Twilight.
He kind of reminds me of Ichigo from Bleach because his problems aren't interesting to see.
I've only seen one volume of Bleach but I am aware of who Ichigo is.
As for Riku different strokes for different strokes. I liked him because he was a different type of character and was getting sick of Sora's friendship upbeat crap. Though at this point I'm sick of him whining about the darkness which is something that a lot of characters do in this series to be quite frank.
I didn't care much for Riku in KH 1 or CoM but he became appealing in KH 2. Out of the Destiny Island trio, I'd take Riku over Sora & Kairi ANY day since those two just irk me.
Though I seriously doubt Riku will be Axel's Nobody.
Well I hope your right cause if it happens, after BBS, I'm not playing any new KH games to come in the future.
Personally I wouldn't mind if Roxas gets a gf, anything tohurt those stupid yaoi fangirls with those obnoxious shipping names.
Despite Xion's addition, KH 2 made it crystal clear that Roxas & Namine ARE the counter part Nobodies of Sora & Kairi; those two just couldn't develop a bond together thanks to the roles they were given. From the way KH 358/2 Days is looking, AkuRoku fans may indeed be heavily disappointed thanks to Xion either:
A) "Cock Blocking" the OMG boy love between Axel x Roxas
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B) "Stealing" Roxas from Axel
I support Roxas x Namine together and won't care really if Xion x Roxas has something going on nor will I support them either. I will however laugh big time if the sexist fan girls throw a big tantrum on DA about "Xarmy Sue" ruining the bond between Axel & Roxas because in my personal opinion, I feel Square Enix is mainly throwing in Xion - a character who was NEVER mentioned in KH 2, Final Mix, CoM, the Mangas or the Official Novel - because fantards can't accept Axel & Roxas' friendship bond for what it TRULY IS and have to blow it up SO big to a point where I can find shoes/calendars on sale based off that FAN-based shipping
Maleficent - The princess will prick her finger...and DIE!
Evil Queen - In the forest my trustful huntsman you will KILL her.
Frollo - I should have killed you years ago like I killed your gypsy mother.
Jafar - How man times do I have to kill you boy!
Honestly now I was surprised that they even allowed Hades to use his comedic use of the word death or even allowed Scar to say that he killed Mufasa (must be because he's an animal). When you get down to it, the original Disney films were much better and less cheesy than the KH adaptations and also goes for the original content of the story. When Ansem died I didn't even realize that he died until I researched it. Usually in Disney whenever someone dies they don't do it as lamely as how KH did. Ansem despite being fully human died just as if he was a Nobody disappearing without any trace. The funny part is that the explosion that killed him didn't affect Sora and the others who were inches from him and fixed Riku's cursed form. Ugh.
I agree with you on Sora. He's got to be one of the most flatest and uninteresting main leads of recent times. He's way too childish and dumb and his dilemmas are way too bland. He kind of reminds me of Ichigo from Bleach because his problems aren't interesting to see. Sora also isn't entertaining to watch, at least when I see characters like Luffy from One Piece I can smile a bit at some of his antics. Sora's antics are too outdated or something like the whole "Are not" comment when compared to Jack Sparrow which if you ask me is an insult to Jack who is entertaining to watch.
As for Riku different strokes for different strokes. I liked him because he was a different type of character and was getting sick of Sora's friendship upbeat crap. Though at this point I'm sick of him whining about the darkness which is something that a lot of characters do in this series to be quite frank.
I agree with you on so many levels in the last part. Though I seriously doubt Riku will be Axel's Nobody. Personally I wouldn't mind if Roxas gets a gf, anything tohurt those stupid yaoi fangirls with those obnoxious shipping names. Seriously Aku is a character from Samurai Jack and Roku is from the cartoon Avatar. Personally I want to see the KH series either wrap upr fail and bomb for milking and having no direction and lousy writing. Once again it reminds me of Bleach in that there's an anime that generally makes up its story as it goes along.
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Sora breaking down crying for Riku made my big brother raise an eyebrow
Hmm personally, I don't care for Sora. He's too immature & happy go lucky for my taste reason I favor Roxas more. When Roxas didn't understand something, he'd either put his foot down and demand you tell him or he'd try his hardest to figure it out himself. In short, Roxas doesn't put up with bullshit like Sora.
I'm glad we aren't playing with Sora anymore in KH 358/2 Days & KH BBS because I'm personally sick of him; he hogged ALL the camera in KH 1 and 2 (Roxas & Riku being playable for a small period of time doesn't count) and it's about time we focus on somebody else. Riku's story was uninteresting in CoM to me.
My thoughts is simply this: if Xion fucks up KH 358/2 Days by becoming a true Mary Sue (like I believe she will), Axel ends up as Riku's Nobody when that wasn't the original plan for him and Aqua ends up tied to Kairi in some way... then I shall never play a new KH game to come in the future because at that point, Square Enix would have killed my interest for the series altogether and I wouldn't be surprise if a large OUTRAGE broke out amongst the fandom since you know the AkuRoku fans can't have anything with ovaries disapproving their "fact" that AkuRoku is indeed canon
There are much better games with better written characters out there anyway so it won't be the end of the world if KH goes down the toilet. This should just be a prime example to anyone who ever thinks about milking a popular series or starting a series and not having any sense of direction AHEAD OF TIME what you want to do with it.
Well regarding Cloud. I think he's alright, but incredibly overrated and even somewhat badly written thanks to the spin offs that SE made to cheaply make more money. I also hate how overexposed he is. Among the FF characters making cameos in KH only he has a sidequest dedicated to his issues. A small sidequest, that's a hell of a perk. Personally if SE wants to milk Cloud do it somewhat else because I don't want to see Cloud vs Sephiroth for the fifth time in a non FF game.
Regarding Sora, though they give us some slight moments where they show Sora liking Kairi I think the staff ruins everything with Sora's general over concern for Riku.
How do you feel they're handling Sora? Personally I don't like the Riku yaoi bait fuel he has attached and to be frank I'm kind of sick of Sora for being made too dumb and immature in KH2. Goofy was a freaking genius in KH2 while Sora was amazingly stupid. In KH1 he had common sense, but in KH2 he just became too dumb and childish.
I also dislike how Nomura brags that Kingdom Hearts is Sora's story even though at this point we've played as Riku in CoM, Roxas briefly in KH2 and fully in 358/2 Days, and the PSP game Birth by Sleep has three controllable characters non of which are Sora. The funny part is that all these characters tend to have more interesting characterization and dilemmas to face compared to Sora's flat personality and generally uninteresting nature and problems.
When Roxas gave up whatever life he had for Sora I felt disappointed because the first thing Sora did when he woke up in KH2 was hold hands with Donald and Goofy and start skipping around in a circle. That was the beginning of the road of disappointment that KH2 brought.
Frankly I'm beginning to doubt I'm into the series as much as I used to. I guess I'm beginning to outgrow it. And I'm seriously noticing how badly written it is at times. So what are your thoughts on all this?
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Olette was just too plain and Larxene was an evil bitch who served her purpose
Well the whole "it's open for interpretation" card gets old especially when there is no BLUNT facts to back up how Riku x Sora is more "romantically canon" than Kairi x Sora as oppose to Roxas clearly stating when he was speaking to Kairi "hey, your that girl he likes," and etc. But I understand what you mean.
Ugh... the FF fandom altogether annoys me because of the fans. FF 7 came out when I was still going to school and till this day, people STILL argue about who Cloud truly loves
It's ok ^o^ long posts don't irk me.
Small note, you said that they made Axel Riku's Nobody? I never saw any of that, maybe that Axel fills the role of Riku in the trio of Roxas, Axel and and Xion. Was that what you meant?
Another thing I agree with you on is how the KH series has this annoying and stupid habit of making important females turn out to be Kairi's clones or tied to Kairi. It's almost as if the staff of the games realize Kairi is bland and useless. Due to this to manage the plot of the games they create alter egos of her to push the story forward since they find the original Kairi to be not thrilling in the least.
That isn't to say that the non-Kairi related females are particularly interesting, Olette was bland even in design, but it's just something that's just disappointing to see on the overall.
Finally on the matter of yaoi fangirls (and the minority which are fanboys who surprisingly exist) I once again agree. These homosexual pairings will never happen because Disney would not allow it. I heard once that Demyx from Organization XIII originally was supposed to be a canon homosexual, but that Disney made Nomura change things, so that's how we got the coward persona of Demyx. I don't know whether its true or not, but its fair to say there will be no canon homosexuality in the KH games simply because the rating Disney wants to maintain for the series. Plus I seriously doubt they would want to have real homosexual themes in a game that showecases their classical characters from both Disney shorts and movies alike. It would wreck their image a bit.
The real problem to me comes from how Nomura writes Sora and the male characters. As I said there's too much talk between the male characters regarding their hearts. Another problem is that for instance though Sora is supposed to like Kairi it almost feels like he's not allowed to express it.
It might be another show, but in the Nickelodeon cartoon Avatar, the male characters quite often acted straight and were constantly allowed to kiss girls and what not like normal teenagers. That isn't to say that they didn't hang out with other guys, but the interactions felt slightly more balanced and natural.
With Sora, and the other male characters of the KH series, there seems to be only guys to hang out with because the women seem to be too useless to even give them screen time. It might be a small extra peeve, but it almost feels like Nomura and his team is preventing Sora from getting together with anything resembling a girl as the ending of KH2 showed.
Sora is running to Kairi and Goofy comes and pretty much, pardon the term, cock blocks him and knocks him down. Donald also gets in the way. Sora rubs their faces against his, but then when it comes to Kairi they just have a weak handshake. I felt a bit disappointed because throughout KH2 many of the Disney characters showed their attraction to their partners, but Sora isn't allowed to do a thing with Kairi apparently. It can't be that they're young because they show Ariel getting married in the KH2 ending.
To an extent I feel that they're trying to appease the yaoi fans and keep it open to interpretation. Like that they don't potentially lose money for when sequels get made.
They kind of did that in Final Fantasy Advent Children. A big struggle between shippers in FF7 was who did Cloud love, Aerith or Tifa? Come AC Cloud is living with Tifa in her home and place of work. They also both adopted a kid named Denzel, but despite all this we as the viewers get no official word about what's going between them. Are they married? Are they at least dating? Or merely cohabitating? That's never made clear and its still a mystery. The reason being probably because SE wants to appeal to all sides even though Aerith has been dead for a while.
I feel the same is being done with Kingdom Hearts. It's kind of annoying because for being a product that's heavily inspired by Western iconic characters and themes, KH is being handled like a straight up Japanese product, particularly since KH2. I don't hate Japanese games, hell I buy and enjoy a lot of them, but I can't stand some of this nonsense.
Sorry for the long post. If the conversation continues I'll try to keep the future responses short.
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Oh really? Well sorry for posting a link you've already seen
Yeah, I hate that too which is why I'm no longer indulging in the KH fandom anymore cause just like you and I have experienced & seen... the fandom is shit. It's not hard at all to understand why some people don't care much/dislike the KH females. Larxene isn't a damsel in distress, plain, cutesy or sad attempt at girl power character like Kairi, Namine, Olette and Xion - from what I've seen so far- however, I don't really like her because of her personality is all. She's not "bad ass" to me nor was I sad when Sora and his party took out the bitch
Xion just seems like the Namine who "should of been." Meaning, for those who believe Roxas & Namine are "practically siblings" just because of Ansem the Wise's hypothesis that became obsolete from the writer himself in the 13th report, even though there are plenty of contradictions I can easily point out, Namine is actually the one who should be wielding a keyblade and Namine is the one who should be completing the trio; not Xion. But because of the role Namine was given, there is no way Namine could of been the 14th member.
Aqua has the potential right now but if Nomura fucks it up like what he has done so far with Xion, then the bluenette will sadly be another unappealing female to the series. The only KH females who are not related/has anything to do with Kairi is Olette & Larxene -_- if Aqua ends up tied to Kairi in some stupid way
I don't blame you or take ANY offense at all about you putting down the female KH girls cause it's the truth and the real reason why Yaoi/Shounen ai/BL fan girls whore off their "OTP" and give little or no attention to the females of the series they supposedly "love" or have nothing against.
I don't like slash or official Yaoi couples period in any fandom since it truly isn't my cup of tea (I gave it a chance and didn't excite me one bit) but I have tolerance for Yuri/Shoujo ai/GL/Lesbians which is probably because of the FACT guys don't go slashing EVERY female character just because of the cop out "Heterosexuality is too generic," unlike the girls and their yaoi obssession. Sometimes the ironically sexist fan girls make me ashame of the fact I am a female since they give our gender a bad name.
Riku & Sora, Axel & Roxas or Ven & Terra will never be canon no matter what delusional fans have to say about it since popularity doesn't make a FAN-based couple canon. KH's main theme is FRIENDSHIP and nobody can twist/change that unless you're Nomura. If one ignores the fact Disney movies (that has NOTHING to do with homosexuality in any way and is aimed for children despite the fact Disney itself does support gay rights) is involved, the game is E-rated and no Final Fantasy character that gets used for the KH series is canonly homosexual in sexuality then yes everybody & anything is "canonly gay." Majority of the KH fandom isn't realistic when it comes down to the simple truth since they let THEIR fantasies cloud their better judgment
It's ok, no need to apologize.
I already read that link you posted a while back and I also agree with the poster who wrote that regarding Xion.
One thing I can't stand is how if you hate KH females, Xion included, you're deemed a yaoi fan as I've mentioned before in other arguments. Honestly, is it maybe because none of them do anything and are constantly portrayed as worthless damsels in distress? How hard is it to understand that?
Xion doesn't give me a feeling I could get behind her and support her because of the many issues regarding her seeming like a Mary Sue. And even if you ignore the issues her personality of contantly whining and being depressed isn't appealing to me. She seems almost like another Namine who is constantly in a physical state of looking helpless and like a weakling.
The only KH female that so far seems to be somewhat passable is Aqua and I have my doubts since she's being treated as the least important character in Birth By Sleep compared to Ven and Terra going by trailers and scans. Plus she merely seems to be there to support Ven whenever he gets down like an older sister. That's not too thrilling either on the overall, if you ask me.
Honestly now, the KH females just aren't that impressive from the way they are written even to the way they're designed. They're all seemingly bland and weak like the female characters you see in animes like Naruto or Bleach. Except they could potentially be even more useless since in Bleach and Naruto some females can heal, none of the KH females can even do that from what I've seen.
Going back to what I said earlier regarding how you get treated if you say you don't like female KH characters. I have to be fair in saying that I don't like yaoi in the least and don't like how when it comes to KH art in DA it's mostly pictures of how all the guys want to stick it up one another or kiss each other. For that matter I don't like the over focus the KH series has with male/male relationships.
It seems like with each new set of male characters that comes along SE creates annoying "frustrations" between them and when you add in how much they talk about each other's hearts you get some real awkward and tedious results. So I really wish they would tone that down so that the yaoi fangirls would stop getting "proof" of how Riku/Sora Axel/Roxas and Ven/Terra makes sense and is the canon pairing.
That's about my two cents, once again sorry for the late reply.
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I agree with EVERYTHING you said about Xion and I wanted to show you this post (if you're interested): [link] it's long-winded I must admit, and she has a few grammar mistakes, but it's worth the read if you want a CLEAR understanding why Xion is a Mary Sue right now. Person even backed up her argument with facts and I can tell she is also taking the OFFICIAL novel factors into consideration as well.
Anyway
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Eat organic food - or, as your grandparents called it, food!
Jolly jeepers... this sucks.
So long as there are CoralineXWybie shippers I know there's a chance of running into each other again. Not that I hunt them down or anything, but hey it's something.
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Eat organic food - or, as your grandparents called it, food!
Jolly jeepers... this sucks.
That's rather shallow if you ask me and only one of them has an admirable personality while the other gives one negative views on females in general.
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Jolly jeepers... this sucks.
However, one flaw many people fall into in regards to having strong female characters is that usually they make the mistake of making said female character unbalanced and overpowered in many departments. This ends up creating a generally unrelatable character and it also isn't uncommon for people to refer to such a character as a Mary Sue or Canon Sue.
There's also the issue of "double standards" like say a guy character is flawed and can be be called out on it and punished severely, but if a female character has said flaws it's deemed wrong and sexist to call out said flaws, much less punish her the same way. A good example of this is in the cartoon Avatar in an episode regarding Katara (one of the female main characters) and how she was dealing with the idea of hunting down the man that killed her mother.
Putting it simply she was acting out in such a terrible way that she told her own brother that he didn't love their mother the way she did. What does the guy do? He simply stays quiet with a defeated look as if to imply that his sister was right which going by his characterization in the show it's highly inaccurate to say he was insensitive to the point he doesn't love his mother. Worse yet is that he's not allowed to at least say that she's full of crap and such. Realistically speaking siblings (regardless of being from the opposite gender) do smack and fight among each other, so why not at least let the guy tell his sister off?
So in the end creating a balanced female character is a difficult venture. On the one hand it's difficult to do and if you want to do it right, you'll have watchdog groups after you claiming how you're a sexist and should be sued or something.
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